Barack Obama on the Gays: There’s a Problem of Homophobia Within Black Community
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Barack Obama on NBC’s Meet The Press this morning discussing his association with Donnie McClurkin and his stance on the gays:
I do not believe being gay or lesbian is a choice. And so I disagree with Reverend McClurkin..
There’s a problem of homophobia in the African-American community. I will go into churches, I will go into meetings with ministers and say, “I disagree with you on these issues. This is not how I interpret my faith.” But the fact that we’re having a conversation, I think, allows the possibly that I will change their minds, make them more tolerant of these issues. They may not agree with me on this, but ultimately, it allows me to bridge some of the cultural divisions that have, I think, prevented us from making progress in this country for so long
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WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO ACCEPT GAYS????????????
FUCK THAT,
THERE’S A PROBLEM BCUZ REAL AFRIKAN’S DONT PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
THIS IS SUCH A SEX CRAVED WORLD AND HOPEFULLY ALL YOU HOMO’S AND PROMISCOUS SEX ADDICTS WILL EVENTUALLY DIE FROM SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES THAT IS DESIGNED FOR ALL YOU “SEX PRISONERS”.
bossip what’s the beef between u & concrete loop; anytime blogs take other blogs off of their blogroll something is always up.
Donnie McClurkin is gay so who is he say hateful remarks towards his own community.
Just because you don’t cosign ‘a way of life’ or disagree with a certain lifestyle doesn’t mean that you are homophobic. If pastors cosigned ‘gay lifestyles’ they would be hypocrites because they wouldn’t be in agreement with God’s word which is the truth. I believe that Homosexuality is wrong does that make me homophopic NO. If my sister or brother turned gay would I still love them YES but would I agree with their lifestyle NO. If My mother decided today she was gonna spend the rest of her life robbing banks, would I still love her YES, but would I condone her lifestyle NO.
i think obama is wrong because Politicians should not go into the church to change their way of thinking. just because he dont stand for nothing dont mean nobody should
some of you should read the bible and learn about the times that it was written in to better understand “The Word” and what it actually means. he who is with out sin shall cast the first stone. and no preacher or pastor is with out sin. i’ve gone to several churches that preach hate towards gays and lesbians, thats not in agreement with god. people always use god as a way to hate.
ihatedumbpeople, your name couldn’t be more appropriate!! Your comments are reflective of the ass that you are. SMDH
Why is this even an issue in the black community? Only God has the power to judge. And what people do in their bedrooms is none of anyone’s business. The biggest fags are in the church; the pulpit and the choir. And they got the nerve to wanna discriminate?! That’s why people don’t stan for the church anymore because its so full o control, manipulation and hypocrisy. Donnie McQueer need to go sit his hypocritical bi-polar gays ass down somewhere….cause he full of natural born tang.
I gotta co-sign on what ??? stated.
Just b/c you agree with God’s word (which is true) and you recognize that homosexuality is a choice does not make you a homophobe!!!
I love my “boys” to death but they know that I don’t approve of the lifestyle and how I wish they would come out of it. But I don’t bash them,I pray for them.
I’m SMH at Senator Obama at least 3-4x a week at how he is the most water downed demo candidate on the block!!!!
He is chatting crap.
@ IHATEDUMBPEOPLE
“REAL AFRIKAN’S DONT PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.”
You’re kiddin’, right?
I hate dumb people.
http://www.theblackactor.com
@ coi, saying that homosexuality is a sin is not being hateful, because it clearly states:
1 corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be decieved. Neither fornicators, nor idolater, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor theives, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor exortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.
& if a pastor is spewing hate out of his mouth or being hateful he clearly isn’t preaching according to god’s word either.
Things happen because you let them happen. People do not get tempted over their control, meaning you can give in or not, its ur decision. Its in your control. Know your immunity towards temptation and you can improve on it.
ihatedumbpeople, i agree this is a sex crazed world.
Just Sit And Be Pretty
ihatedumbpeople, your name couldn’t be more appropriate!! Your comments are reflective of the ass that you are. SMDH
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I co-sign with you completely. @ihatedumbpeople, I really do hope that you are not a Christian b/c Christ preached about acceptance and that we ALL fall short so who are you or anyone else to pass a judgment on homosexuals like they are so much worse than you. Remember a sin is a sin and their homosexuality is no worse than your fornication, gluttony, cuss words, judgment, lies, or envy. Those without sin please cast the first stone.
I’m sorry Obama I do not agree with you. You just can’t go into someone church and tell them they should change their beliefs. And yes homosexuality is a choice. Just like going out and committing a crime is a choice. You don’t have to do it if you don’t want to.
Being gay is a gotdamm choice !!!!
We are ALL designed by almighty GOD whether you want to accept it or not……and I’m quite sure that he was’nt in heaven creating us to participate in what was belched out of the bellly of Satan !!
The bible says:
“There is a way that seemeth right to a man but the end thereof are the ways of death”. We are All sinners saved by grace……Homosexuality and lesbians are an abomination to the LORD…..case and point !!
I have a motto for faggits and lesbians….
“YOU GREW IT….YOU CHEW IT “
Just because you dont beleive in homosexuality and you think its a sin, doensnt mean that you have to treat people like shit….
coi
some of you should read the bible and learn about the times that it was written in to better understand “The Word” and what it actually means. he who is with out sin shall cast the first stone. and no preacher or pastor is with out sin. i’ve gone to several churches that preach hate towards gays and lesbians, thats not in agreement with god. people always use god as a way to hate
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And people use it as justification to their sins or discount them.
@MzGapeach
Thank you a black woman with some common sense and a good heart.
Just because you dont beleive in homosexuality and you think its a sin, doensnt mean that you have to treat people like shit….
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Just because you don’t cosign ‘a way of life’ or disagree with a certain lifestyle doesn’t mean that you are homophobic. If pastors cosigned ‘gay lifestyles’ they would be hypocrites because they wouldn’t be in agreement with God’s word which is the truth. I believe that Homosexuality is wrong does that make me homophopic NO. If my sister or brother turned gay would I still love them YES but would I agree with their lifestyle NO. If My mother decided today she was gonna spend the rest of her life robbing banks, would I still love her YES, but would I condone her lifestyle NO.
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Co-sign. I don’t believe in hate in ANY capacity, but I don’t have to agree with anything I believe is wrong.
Also…..
I couldn’t help but comment on your Concreteloop question.
Concreteloop was the first black gossip site I heard of and I used to spend HOURS on that site daily. I was addicted because all I had ever seen was white sites like Thesuperficial.com and Perezhiltion.com and they just didn’t do it for me.
But I was almost FORCED to stopped because I realized 1.) Angela is fat corny and bias as HELL.
2.) Tiana is an airhead and can’t spell for shit
3.) Brian couldn’t pick good music for SHIT!!!! His reviews are horrid!!!!
On top of all of that…it became Beyonceloop instead of concreteloop. But in that regard, they are just the same as any other black blog just using her popularity for hits. None of the black sites like her that much, but she DEFINATELY brings hits and hits = MONEY..
I think it may have to do with the fact that they are all under 25 and it definately reflects. So with all that I decided to come over to Bossip with all of their imperfections LOL!!! I don’t know how old their staff is but it suits me and most ex-concreteloopers just fine, although I wish they could learn to love my future husband 50 a little more but I just skip those posts lol!!!
I know you didn’t ask me for it, but I gave it anyway.
@RUN-FORREST-RUN !
In response to:
Being gay is a gotdamm choice !!!!
We are ALL designed by almighty GOD whether you want to accept it or not……and I’m quite sure that he was’nt in heaven creating us to participate in what was belched out of the bellly of Satan !!
The bible says:
“There is a way that seemeth right to a man but the end thereof are the ways of death”. We are All sinners saved by grace……Homosexuality and lesbians are an abomination to the LORD…..case and point !!
Homosexuality is NOT A CHOICE. And your own words support what I’m saying.
1.”We are ALL designed by almighty GOD” exactly and everything God does is with purpose so why would God design something bad or wrong. I love that you emphasized ALL because that shows that
God created those people too just like every heterosexual.Secondly, God created the liars, adulters, fornicators,pedophiles, rapist, and people who engage in beastiatliy. Third, the Bible says that we ALL fall short of the glory of God.
well as of late concreteloop has went from rhiannaloop to kanyeloop & it gets so boring & redundant.
@La. Finest
I will assume that you are straight. Since you say homosexuality is a choice at what age did you consciously make the decision to be straight, how did you know what all that entailed, and how did you know?
Just out of curiosity what exactly did Donnie say about the gays?
I am highly impressed with Baracks statement! I have never heard a political leader that took such a risk in saying his true feelings. I totally agree with his statement. As a matter of fact, I wrote a book that has a chapter discussing this same topic. This is some good stuff.
The Individual, Calm Hill
http://www.calmhill.com
author of Walking in the Footsteps of God
Urban Moon Publishing
The church is the last place where a sinner should be condemned. The church is supposed to open its doors for EVERYONE to go and wash away their sins in the spirit of the word. There is too much judgement coming from mere mortals. There are far more sinners in the church than just homosexuals, so why is that the only group cast out of the church?? Whether or not homosexuality is innate or unnatural, it is prevalent. Hate and judgement wont rid the world of homosexuality and the church turning their backs on homosexuals is in it self another sin. The church has a responsiblity to reach out to people and welcome them to the altar to be saved and then teach them the word of God. It is up to that individual to live according to the word and in the end ONLY God can deal with that person for their sins. How are people expected to understand that our God is a God of forgiveness and acceptance when the one place where you would learn those virtues is the very place where you are being told you arent welcome? No one sin is greater or lesser than the other {except suicide}, there is no rank order- sin is sin. The sin of a homosexual is no greater or lesser than the sins of yours nor mine.
Barak took a very brave step by coming out publicly with his position. Most politicians, esp. on the campaign trail wont come out strongly on one side of an issue that is so widely controversial. That is risque considering he can sway voters away from him with this one stance. I think that he did so despite that says a lot about his character, he has integrity and is not persuaded on an issue by popularity.
@CubaLinda
You don’t speak often but you always speak truth.
please rise above what you’ve been told in church and look at how homophobia perpetuates hate and violence. understand the context of the (repeatedly revised) bible before you use it as the absolute truth for you rebuttal concerning the rights of human beings. [leviticus 18:22, the word abominable meant "idolatry" not what we commonly think of it today. it was the jews' way of separating themselves from the pagans who believed in fertility gods. so much more to this.]
whether you believe it’s a choice or not does not give you the moral or legal right to prevent EQUAL RIGHTS. think about how you’ve formed these beliefs. we are not born with the instinct to hate, we’re conditioned that way.
furthermore, the lifestyle is not about sex; it’s about being happy. if you think choosing to be gay equates to choosing to rob a bank, then you can see it’s a long way to progress.
peace to you people.
think!
Eccleciastes 7:20 says: For there is not one just man on earth who does good & does not sin.
I believe being gay or lesbian is a definite choice. I don’t believe in hatred against them, but I think Obama is trying to bandage a wound that needs surgery. He needs to understand that his presidency will not bring gays and homosexuals together with christians and should not try and force it by going to peoples churches and doing so. I doubt any pastor would let him come in a do that…its just wrong…and just because you dont agree with it or dont accept it doesn’t make you a homophobic…just means its something you choose not to get in to.
So you choose to be gay?! “Hmmm, I think I’m going to be gay from now on just so that I can be criticized, rediculed, attacked, and have my sex/private life be a controversial topic for the rest of my life.. Yippie!” Give me an effing break…. If they didn’t have genuine, true feelings of attraction to people of the same sex I don’t think someone in their right mind would CHOOSE to be gay… They can’t help who they’re attracted to and they shouldn’t shy away from acting on those feelings just so they can please you judgemental people and be unhappy for the rest of their lives.
I thank God every day for making me who I am. I love my family and friends. Who love me as well. I am a Professional 26 years old male, who knows right from wrong. I respect others even if they do not do the same for myself. I live everyday knowning that any of my actions will not hurt, harm or ruin anyone elses lives. I work for what I have and thank God for all of it. I am a respected individual in a Corp. world living in Chicago. I’ve made a name for myself and doing my part to build this Multi-Million dollar company I work, to head into the right direction. I feel really blessed and again Thank God everyday for the doors that opened for me. I know in my heart that I am a great person. And yes… I’M GAY. NO ONE can tell me I’m wrong for loving my Husband and Family as much as they love me. I never AND WILL EVER HIDE WHO I AM BECAUSE OF WHAT ANOTHER PERSON THINKS OF MY LIFESTYLE. GOD made me this way! And I THANK HIM EVERYDAY FOR THAT!
I dont look bad upon people who are Homophobes, or dont agree with Gays… God made you the way you are… who am I to say to you that YOU NEED TO EXCEPT ME. If you dont…. Ya dont. No skin off my back. No skin off yours.
Now if you dont mind, I would like to go back to watching the Bears game and finish my beer.
regardless of whether you think homosexuality is a choice, those who”choose” it are still fellow human beings and are worthy of the same respect, patience and non-judgment any heterosexual receives. we are all God’s children which means we are all loved and NONE of us, not even the ones that can quote a bible cover to cover, are in any position to pass judgment or harbor hatred for another.
and to those of you who think being gay is a choice: if you’re heterosexual female, ask yourself whether you have ever had to make a conscious decision to be attracted to a male. and if you’re a hetero male, ask if you’ve ever had to make a conscious decision to be attracted to a female. think about that…
@Urban Living–first, I commend you for having the courage to be who you are. second, what’s going on with the bears game lol?
@UrbanLivin’
You better say that. Stay true to you. God bless.
@Birdy
I agree. When I first thought about this subject from a spiritual point of view I was like Jesus didn’t hang out the holy rollers. He was around thieves, sick, deformed, dead (and alive again), blind, homeless, dirty, tax collectors, etc. He accepted EVERYONE. I’m mean my God he knew Judas was setting him up to be killed and he still hugged him. Open your eyes people WHEN DID YOU CHOOSE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL?!??! I NEVER DID. I JUST AM. I NEVER MADE A THE DECISION TO BE I JUST AM. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO BELIEVE THAT HOMOSEXUALS JUST ARE. NOT A CHOICE. Like Birdy said who would want to live like that by choice? Being disowned by your family, harrassed constantly, and made to seem like a deviant is not what I call the American dream.
men don’t think of asking a woman to eat a another woman pussy drop of a dime but asking him to suck another man dick then it become gay ass shit.tired
I see what he is saying, at least talking about it will open people up to seeing how and why being gay should be accepted. But, how does he think he will change the minds in the church? There is a strong belief that being gay is committing sin, so how does he think he change minds this way lol? Maybe I dont get it…
Maybe I’m seeing what I want to see but I’ve never read or heard Obama say ANYTHING about changing the minds of the people in the church into thinking that homosexuality is wrong. We all know it’s wrong but the church condems it to be sooo much worse than anything else. An ex-prostitute, junkie, con, pedophile, etc can go to church but gays can’t?? He is just saying why should they be the target of so much hatred and violence instead of acceptance and love if you really are a “Christian”?
correction
*isn’t*
Well ‘And’ what church do you go to? God said there is no partialitity in sin meaning that a sin is a sin point blank. A liar and a idolater & a murderer & a homosexual are sinners. no sin is above the other & who said gays can’t go to church??? Only God knows a mans heart & not everyone in church is ‘righteous’ & just because you got to church every sunday does not mean that you are saved or will make it to heaven.
1. Barak Obama is wrong for the simple fact that the constitution of this land states that there is a seperation of CHURCH and STATE to avoid a Theocracy like we almost had in early America with the Pruitans and the Salem Whitch trials etc. So, for the simple fact that he is not upholding the constitution ALL READY (didn’t even get to the office yet) will make a lot of people like me skeptical about him running a BALANCED society!!! I don’t give a fuck about your PERSONAL views but will your personal views run the country? If so, go fuck yourself.
2. The simple and basic fact that a man and a man or a woman and a woman CANNOT reproduce and reproduction is a natural gift from GOD himself, tells me that GOD hs nothing to do with homosexuality. It’s just that simple.
What do you guys think? Don’t you think if God was okay with that plan, he would allow these people to have children? I’m not saying he doesn’t love Gays too but don’t you find it odd that 2 people of opposite sex that don’t even love or for that matter know each other can reproduce a child, but no matter HOW MUCH 2 people of the same sex love each other, or are nice people, or have lots of money and a good home to give a child, they will NEVER EVER be able to share a biological child together? And that is not MANS doing, that is GODS doing.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm….
He is just saying why should they be the target of so much hatred and violence instead of acceptance and love if you really are a “Christian”?
^^^ Yea but who exactly are you talking about. You can’t possibly be talking about all christians & certaintly not me. God calls us to be the exact opposite of hate. phillipians 2:1-4) If you have any encouragement from being united with christ, if any encouragement from his love, if any fellowship with the spirit, if any tenderness & compassion then make my joy complete by having the same love & being like-minded. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vein conceit, but in humility, consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests but also to the interests of others. So if the church you go to is saying “gays are not allowed” then the head of that church is obviously not acting in accordance with the word. 1 timothy 1:8) For we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully. Knowing this the law is not made for a righteous person but for the lawless & insubodinate, for the ungodly & the sinners. A church who rejects homosexuals are not fulfilling the word of god because God wants the word to reach all sinners that they may come to the knowledge of the truth & seek deliverance.
And WHAT DOES HE MEAN Black people and churches are homophobic?
All of our band majors and choir directors are gay men LOL!!!
hey, how do we explain homosexuality in the animal kingdom? homosexuality is perfectly natural.
but i don’t agree with barack about homosexuality in the black community, as i think whites are as equally homophobic.
barack should also consider the fact that blacks don’t make the rules, such as ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ and the banning of gay marriage.
Everyone in this world is naturally a sinner & is born into sin but that’s not to say that a man can not turn from the error of his ways & gain salvation. & how do you explain those who claim to be Bi-sexual or those who decide from that day on that they want to experiment & from that day on “choose” that that’s the lifestyle they are going to live.
you must first be sexually attracted to the same sex before you can even proceed to ‘experiment’. so, the feelings of wanting to be with someone of the same sex is 100% natural.
i, like many girls who refuse to admit it, have experiented or thought of experimenting, but are with men.
i have experimented many times in college, but i have a boyfriend and identify as a heterosexual. so, sure i made the choice to experiment, but my thoughts were not a choice. i could have easily repressed my feelings forever, but that’s what ‘dl brothas’ and other ‘in the closet’ gays do.
frankly, that ‘choice’ argument is out-dated and quite ignorant if you ask me.
Many people interpret the Bible in different ways u can use the bible to justify many things…such as homophobia…most Christians are hypocites and i’m that as a Christian…homophobia, like rasicm is wrong…i’m glad Barack is standing up for all people
roberto,
don’t forget the slave masters had a verse to justify every single wrong action they committed against slaves.
maybe Obama is saying tha we need to be able to discuss homosexuality in our community without jumping to the conclusion that it’s a damnable sin. If we had OPEN AND HONEST converstation amongst our people maybe we can address the problem of black women having the highest rate of new AIDS cases in THE WORLD (NOT THE COUNTRY, BUT THE WORLD), maybe we can discuss the rise in “down low” men, maybe we can discuss the prevelance of “homo thugs”, maybe we can finally talk about child rape in the church. It may be a sin it may not be, it may be a lifestyle choice or maybe not, but i feel that our community has tried to put this topic on the back burner and look what it has done to us. Maybe it is time to start looking at this using BOTH sets of view points.
I HATE DUMB PEOPLE, I must be dumb too, because I agree with you. Who in the fuck is Barak to go in and tell PREACHERS to go against the word of GOD? He is one bold mother fucker if you ask me to do some shit like that.
What does it matter whether or not homosexuality is a choice? and for those that say just because I do not agree with homosexuality does not make me homophobic, ummm..thats like saying just because I dont agree with interracial dating doesnt make me prejudice, bias or racist
Being gay is not a choice it is innate. I did not choose to be heterosexual, every since I was a little girl I knew that I liked boys. What the hell is so hard to understand Gay people go through the same thing? PEople there IS a great deal of homoophobia in the Black community especially in the south. This is the reason why White politicians are able to bring the gay issue out, get you to vote for them and then screw you in the end. Did we not learn from Bush re-election?
I think Barack is very intelligent and TRUE to his beliefs and values whether or not its popular. There are plenty of gay people that vote.
roberto,
don’t forget the slave masters had a verse to justify every single wrong action they committed against slaves.
True, but it is obvious that slave owners stretched their shit beyond belief to prove their point. Their is no “streaching” when the Bible says a man shall not lay with another man or a woman with another woamn”. Cant get any clearer than that. Stop with all this relativism bullshit. The choice of being gay is way different than the birth rite of being black. God, TV and Liberalisim is fucked.
@ oh F@ck that
YOu say there is a separation of church and state, I TOTALLY agree, so please tell your right-wing politicians to STOP trying to ban: ABORTION, GAY MARRIAGE, CONTRACEPTIVES..based on the argument that it is a sin..
thanks
@ Heahter
the bible also says that you should stone people to death for the sin of adultery, it also says that you should stone your children if they stray from the church….so I take it you ar perfetly OK with people murdering their children when they stop going to church? YES?
People should really stop quoting the Bible especially when they know damn well they don’t follow the “Word of God” pfft!
here we go
@ oh F@ck that
YOu say there is a separation of church and state, I TOTALLY agree, so please tell your right-wing politicians to STOP trying to ban: ABORTION, GAY MARRIAGE, CONTRACEPTIVES..based on the argument that it is a sin..
thanks
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I agree. Those aren’t decisions that people should be making for other people. I never said the government alwayz did things right, but there are guidlines in place to keep this country from being complete chaos and I think those laws and guidlines should be held up and respected. I think America had the right ideas in place when they wrote our constitution. Now they must uphold those laws.
It’s so funny that people state they should not be accepting of gays, due to the bible, but ignore the fact that the bible also condemns fornication.
So like, yeah, being gay is like fornicating according to the bible.
So I guess 90 percent of the world will be in hell. Have fun.
the same people who go to always talks about the word of god or the bible are the same people who are at clubs on the weekends…
heather,
religion is relative, hypocrite!
so, if i’m not christian, how dare you rub your shit on me?
I think Obama has the right approach. People are always going to disagree over things- especially on a religious front. This isn’t about that. What he’s saying is disagreeing doesn’t mean the two groups can’t coexist and work together. I appreciate that he’s not warring against people who don’t approve of homosexuality the way other politicians do in order to get votes. I think the Christian church has an obligation as well to say the same thing, “We don’t agree but that doesn’t mean we have to hate each other.”
He’s still willing to listen to what Donnie has to say and that’s important. He’s not tirading against him or people who feel the same way and that’s important. No politician is going to feel Exactly the way i do about everything, but I’d rather elect someone who is willing to communicate anyway.
It’s so funny that people state they should not be accepting of gays, due to the bible, but ignore the fact that the bible also condemns fornication.
So like, yeah, being gay is like fornicating according to the bible.
So I guess 90 percent of the world will be in hell. Have fun.
No one is perfect nor is anyone above reproach.
these comments prove barack’s point.
Reading these comments, I have to shake my head. Obama’s got the right approach, especially in the Black community, but it’s going to be tough for him with this issue.
(devil’s advocate) We all agree that the difference between humans and animals is our ability to think and make choices right. Then why is homosexuality also practiced in the animal kingdom also? look it up.
First of all you are a sell-out Obama to the Creator of the world Yahweh Elohim….He states in Rev 21:8 there shall no Whoremongers, Sodomites, adominable, murderers enter in the kingdom and will be in the lake of fire. So I don’t care what you say just to get votes from the Faggots..The Torah states in the Book of Lev 18:22-27-Neither shall you lie with any mankind, as with womankind: it is a abomination. Now go chew on that! All Faggots need to repent from that hard demon that is inside them.. May you fall to Obama…Salvation to the House Of Judah the servants of Yah….www.thencci.com
I swear some people in here are complete idiots why would someone choose to be GAY??? There comes tons of hate and ridicule with that….like some people have stated have you ever choosin a women over a man or a man over a women or were you always attracted to a certain sex… trust me people dont choose to be gay and if gays are going to hell so are 92.9% of the population… nobody is more better or special then the next person and I dont know why homosexuality is such a big issue…..but it is all because of the church bible that does not tell the original word of god because of all the people that got there chnce to put there word in over 1000’s of years.
@ Ariel
sounds a little radical there
Why does everybody have to be pro-gay. Fugg that shiz. Gay folx should not be givin special rights…just because they are fuggin the same sex. Obama just another politician who will continue to push the war effort and try to make us all accept the homosexual lifestyle.
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@ oh f@ck that
so you think allowing gay marriage is going to send the country in chaos? SO, the war in Iraq, povery, violence, crime, rape, pedophilia, lack of health care, prejudice in the justice system…etc…thats ALL good as long as Barack Obama doesnt try to get people to treat gays with some decency and respect?
Lets BE REAL! the church DOES not believe in separating their PRIVATE beliefs from FORCING it on the public. The church can condemn gay people to hell all they want, but when it comes to treating people in the world with human decency and MAKING sure they have EQUAL RIGHTS! please keep your PERSONAL religous beliefs out of it.
I believe in GOd, but I keep that to myself and do not use my belief in spirituality as a justification to spew hatred and intolerance for those that do not fit into my perception of the world. Sadly, MOST religious (or so called religious) people find it hard to do the same.
The Bible says A LOT OF THINGS, good luck following all of them
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ihatedumbpeople
WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO ACCEPT GAYS????????????
FUCK THAT,
THERE’S A PROBLEM BCUZ REAL AFRIKAN’S DONT PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
THIS IS SUCH A SEX CRAVED WORLD AND HOPEFULLY ALL YOU HOMO’S AND PROMISCOUS SEX ADDICTS WILL EVENTUALLY DIE FROM SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES THAT IS DESIGNED FOR ALL YOU “SEX PRISONERS”.
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i second that 100%
Why would babies be born with both sexes or too much of a certain thing, such as testes and ovaries? It does happen people. We are all sinners, no one is perfect,
As long as no one is being harmed in anyway, love can never be wrong. God is love. I had a gay cousin who on his death bed confessed to me that he was gay (the family had years earlier suspected him of being gay) but that did not stop us from loving him nor did we ever judge him. We cannot afford to hate on anyone of God’s children.
i dont hate gays, i just hate to ones who want everybody to know they are gay. them are the ones who should be put to sleep
DO YALL THINK GAYS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO MARRY
@ coi, saying that homosexuality is a sin is not being hateful, because it clearly states:
1 corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be decieved. Neither fornicators, nor idolater, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor theives, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor exortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.
& if a pastor is spewing hate out of his mouth or being hateful he clearly isn’t preaching according to god’s word either.
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you don’t know what i heard when i was in church so who are you tell me scriptures from the bible. the pastor said “homosexuals should not be allowed basic human rights” is that hate? let’s not forget that it wasn’t that long ago that white people said the bible said being black was a sin and had scriptures to prove it…if anyone ever wondered why black men “choose” to be on the d.l. this post and the comments explain it all….there is so much hate and lack of tolerance in the black community it’s ridiculous…..most of what you all wrote is quite ignorant and disturbing….let he who is with out sin cast the first stone and remember a sin is a sin….so think about the “white lies” you tell, getting drunk, premarital sex and so on.
i’m too through….with the likes of you.
I’m just curious as to what Pastor Donnie had to say? Because as much as he claims to be “healed” you cannot tell me he is not doing the do with other men.
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@CubaLinda
You don’t speak often but you always speak truth
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You are soooo right! I love reading her posts. Yours too!!! Lol!!!
As far as my opinion on Obama–
I think that was a v-e-r-y bold move right in the middle of Campaigning. How many others would’ve been willing to make a strong political statement? He said it in regards to a highly successful black man who happens to admit his “former”‘ homosexual past. Whew, Mr. Obama! Bold move, brother. Bold move!
I love a man with some backbone! It just makes me moist! Lol!!!!!!!
Being gay or lesbian is a choice. You put up wit it and allowed it to take over you. If ur so religious, u should be able to know how to or learn how to control things so u wont sin. i agree run-forest-run.
I am a little concerned about how Obama can address what he sees as bias perceptions within the black community while reluctant to address whether he sees any form of bias within other communities. Be fair, Mr. I am going to have to look at his past speeches and see if he has specifically pointed out issues he has with non-black communities.
I wonder if Obama has a serious view of the so-called problem with homophobia within the black community. It just occurred to me that there might be a identity-justice system crisis in play here that impacts a portion of the black community. I am only talking a portion here, so bare with me. Just think about how many from our neighborhoods find themselves doing serious time in prison, justified or not. Now remember that there are arguments of bias within the justice system where blacks are sentenced to much longer prison terms than are whites who commit similar crimes. Nonetheless, blacks are highly represented in that population, whatever the reason. The experience of prison, I would imagine based on the fables we are told, can eventually breakdown or at the very least seriously assault the basic identity of a man. Particularly when we associate this attack on identity to the reports of rampant rapes within the system. Oftentimes, we hear, and occasionally witness the results prison experience have on the former inhabitants from the neighborhood once they are released. We may see changes in their behavior. We associate our curiosities about their behavior with the accounts that trickle back to us at home about their prison stay. We look for signs of how they dealt with their terms. When they return to the neighborhood we look for signs that some have matured and given up on crime, got some type of education, lifted weights, gotten worse or was impacted by prison abuse in ways that cause sexuality changes. I think we all do this. What also results, I can imagine, is the ‘undercover’ brother thing women are talking about. Many of those brothers, I’m sure, are not too eager to talk about the abuse they may have experienced. I am sure that some may even develop complicated relations with the outside world upon release after an extended stay behind bars. Self-hatred, which by extension may lead to a hate of not necessarily homosexuals, but of what homosexuality means to them in the context of the prison experience, may also be a by-product of over-representation in the system. This attitude may have jumped over to the music industry or other modes in society that adopt similar views. What does it all mean? I admit that I am not an expert on the issue, but then again I am also not Obama making a campaign statement about blacks and their relation with homosexuals. What I am saying is that what he sees as black rejection of homosexuality may in fact, at least in some circles, may be an unconscious association to a call to not get trapped and stripped of your identity in the horrible way that an unfair justice system can administer. What he sees may actually be a derivative of the situation I just explained. Obama should be careful not to target blacks exclusively when he wants to talk about bias-related issues in America. If he wants to talk about those kinds of issues maybe he should give more thought to the bigger picture. Things may not necessarily be as they seem. If the prison rape abuse, and as such, the assault on male identity is real, and if the proportion of blacks in the prison system is truly higher than any other race, then my views may be valid. It would mean that blacks in prison are vulnerable to a serious identity crisis that we on the outside witness when they come home. This, of course must have some impact in how the community views homosexuality, but at the same time, may not be a direct hatred of homosexuals. Besides that, can Obama argue that the entire gay community has a positive relation with black America? If he cannot, then maybe he should move on to other issues to close the gap between himself and the good-for-nothing Clinton. I support Obama, but I will not allow him to step on us for votes.
In these last days it seems anybody is allowed to express their views freely except christians. The christian church doesn’t preach kill all gays it preaches love …the fact that christians classify homosexuality as wrong doesn’t mean they hate them….as a christians i pray that they’d all see the light at one point in their life…Barack needs to stop trying to win votes and be real…there’s no middle ground for christianity u’r either for or against it.
“he that is without sin cast the first stone” has been taken out of context for way too long. Stoning is an act of condemnation which no one has the authority to do. No one can definitively tell someone whether or not they are going to hell because we are not God and we don’t know the extent of his grace and mercy.
However we DO know that the wages of sin is death and that homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuality is no worse than many other sins as someone correctly pointed out, but the difference is in practice and pride. When a person openly sins and wears their sin as a badge, its easier to single them out as compared to other sins. As Christians, it is our job to judge, just not too condemn.
When the multitude was going to stone that woman Christ acknowledged that she was, in fact an active sinner, that is why he turned to her and said “Go, and sin no more.” He didnt say that to everyone else. So basically he agreed with the crowd concerning the sin, but disagreed with their condemning of her. THAT authority belongs to God.
Obama looks as if he likes to take it up the bootie hole.
the happy family
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Human happiness is more important than any book.
I’m sorry everytime I hear Obama speak or read something he say about the black community I always feel as though he’s tellin white ppl that if they vote him in office I’ll keep the black people on a leash for you…if he wants to attack any type of hatred, go down to Alabama or somethin and attack those KKK groups…they actually commit crimes against us…u attacking people about their opinions on a sexuality is not of importance right now unless ur attacking the ones that commit crimes to gay and lesbians….Geena I completely agree with you on the fact that it seems as though everyone can be open and free except christians.
def. not a choice..
@kdogg:
Excellent post! I think this sudden interest in on Obama’s stand on homosexuality is an attempt to divide potential supporters. Think about it. Here’s a man who MAY BE able to bring some truth, standards, and progress to those Black communities hurting. Oh, but no, we can’t support him because he has joined forces with one of those evil Christians, who happen to believe that homosexuality is wrong! (gasp). Come on! Gay people should NOT be beaten, killed, discriminated against, etc. But their communities aren’t rife with violence, absentee parenting, drugs, and overt discrimination. Yes, there a gay people in those communities, but comparing group to group, they are not facing the same magnitude of these issues.
When America stylizes itself after the machismo of the Black male (the wearing the baggy pants, fighting an injustice society and thinking of every single woman as a sex toy) and ignores the black gay man and the black lesbians, then so are the inequalities of those ignored. Just because men and women are gay doesn’t mean they deserve inhuman treatment. Have a heart.
@ Birdy
So you choose to be gay?! “Hmmm, I think I’m going to be gay from now on just so that I can be criticized, rediculed, attacked, and have my sex/private life be a controversial topic for the rest of my life.. Yippie!” Give me an effing break…. If they didn’t have genuine, true feelings of attraction to people of the same sex I don’t think someone in their right mind would CHOOSE to be gay… They can’t help who they’re attracted to and they shouldn’t shy away from acting on those feelings just so they can please you judgemental people and be unhappy for the rest of their lives.
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You speak the truth
DISCLAIMER:Sun Goddess does not mean to apply that all black men fit into the descrition in my first post; I’m just saying Americans idolizes black men in almost every fashion and that fashion includes a homophobic attitude.
@letMeTellYa….get your facts straight no proper christian would actually condone beating and killing any1 because of their way of life…(that’s wat most people are confusing with the christian faith) what u’r talking about is what’s called homophobia
BLACK FOLK WAKE UP!!
Homosexuality has been around since the beginnin of time! Just because there wasn’t a name to it didn’t mean it wasn’t around.
The same ignorance which stated that AIDS/HIVS IS A WHITE MANS DISEASE IS THE SAME THING THAT HAS BEEN KILLING BLAKS AT MUCH HIGHER RATES THAN ANY OTHER GROUP WORLDWIDE!!!
JUST BECAUSE YOU IGNORE GAY DOESN’T MEAN IT WILL GO AWAY!!
Whether you accept it or not it’s here to stay. Even if you dont agree with it you should respect anybody that is gay. THATS THE EQUIVALENT OF SOMEONE NOT ACCEPTING YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE GAY.
AND DONT ACT LIKE YOU DONT HAVE GAYS IN YOUR FAMILY!!!
As for FAITH: WHAT PROPER “TEACHING” WOULD TELL YOU THAT SOMEONE THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM YOU IS WRONG?!
IS THAT BECAUSE IT’S WRITTEN BY MAN AND THROUGH HIS INTERPRETATION AND NOT THE TRUE WORD OF GOD??!!
APPARENTLY IGNORANCE WILL BE THE DEATH OF BLACKS IN THIS WORLD!?
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I’m different. I like to sleep with other peoples spouses. According to your reasoning, I’m not wrong.
I like to mess with underage children. Again according to your reasoning…I’m not wrong.
In fact, accordidng to your reasoning, Nobody is wrong as long as they claim that they are “born that way” or are just different.
Jeffrey Dahmer was different
Hitler, Saddam, David Koresh, and Pres Bush was/are all different.
Deviant behavior, whether it be a crime or a lifestyle is different by definition. Hence the word “deviant.” If you condone one deviant behavior, why not them all????
BTW, I am not an alduterer or a pedophile, I just used that foe emphasis. I have to explain myself before someone takes it out of context.
Why does the bible come into play when it comes to politics?
I don’t believe in the bible so I could give a shit what 1 core whatever says.
@TJ u’r so right…why doesn’t any1 ever take other religions into consideration..why does it always have to be christianity??
@ihatedumbpeople, What about the many hetro’s that are in marriages and one on one relationships that contracts HIV or STD’s on the part of cheating partner do they deserve to die? remember HIV is a man made disease, most STD”s are a result of people practicing beastility. in case your dumbass has not noticed we are all exposed to diseases because the minority ruling behind closed doors spends billions to engage in germ, chemical and biological warfare no where is this more prevalent than the continent of Afrika and also your dumbass have never read or head of the Tuskegee experiment in which scores of black men were infected with STD to see its effect, the same thing continue today’s via your flu shots,HPV vaccine, even your vaccinations to go to schools can mutate in your body and lay your ass out. I suggest you go do some research and see just what’s in those vaccines you and your children take to enter school. even your foods, clothes, toys, furniture, carpets the list goes on and on to just how exposed you are. why do you think so many black kids came down with asthma in the inner city? the government cheese and milk, cheese produces mucus in the body as well as milk, matter of fact do some